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Why are Jews hated?

Post by Nightshade » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:58 pm

Historians have classified six explanations as to why people hate the Jews:

Economic -- "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth and power."
Chosen People -- "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim that they are the chosen people."
Scapegoat -- "Jews are a convenient group to single out and blame for our troubles."
Deicide -- "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus."
Outsiders, -- "We hate Jews because they are different than us." (The dislike of the unlike.)
Racial Theory -- "We hate Jews because they are an inferior race."


As we examine the explanations, we must ask -- Are they the causes for anti-Semitism or excuses for Anti-Semitism? The difference? If one takes away the cause, then anti-Semitism should no longer exist. If one can show a contradiction to the explanation, it demonstrates that the "cause" is not a reason, it is just an excuse. Let's look at some contradictions:

Economic -- The Jews of 17th- 20th century Poland and Russia were dirt poor, had no influence and yet they were hated.

Chosen People -- a) In the late 19th century, the Jews of Germany denied "Choseness." And then they worked on assimilation. Yet, the holocaust started there. b) Christians and Moslems profess to being the "Chosen people," yet, the world and the anti-Semites tolerate them.

Scapegoat -- Any group must already be hated to be an effective scapegoat. The Scapegoat Theory does not then cause anti-Semitism. Rather, anti-Semitism is what makes the Jews a convenient scapegoat target. Hitler's ranting and ravings would not be taken seriously if he said, "It's the bicycle riders and the midgets who are destroying our society."

Deicide -- a) the Christian Bible says the Romans killed Jesus, though Jews are mentioned as accomplices (claims that Jews killed Jesus came several hundred years later). How come the accomplices are persecuted and there isn't an anti-Roman movement through history? b) Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not what they do." The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. Neither statement of Christian belief lessened anti-Semitism.

Outsiders -- With the Enlightenment in the late 18th century, many Jews rushed to assimilate. Anti-Semitism should have stopped. Instead, for example, with the Nazis came the cry, in essence: "We hate you, not because you're different, but because you're trying to become like us! We cannot allow you to infect the Aryan race with your inferior genes."

Racial Theory -- The overriding problem with this theory is that it is self-contradictory: Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew - and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so at one time or another.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/ ... e_Jews.htm

It's funny how a decent hard working group of people that have given so much to the world and humanity are singled out for hatred when they have done no real wrong (as a group.)
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Re: Why are Jews hated?

Post by callmeslick » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:10 am

gee, couldn't you say the same about black people......etc, etc, etc.?
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Re: Why are Jews hated?

Post by Nightshade » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:55 am

callmeslick wrote:gee, couldn't you say the same about black people......etc, etc, etc.?
If you want to start a thread about other people(s), be my guest. :roll:
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Re: Why are Jews hated?

Post by callmeslick » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:31 am

no, maybe a thread for this sort of stuff called Captain Obvious might be a thought. I mean, if you EVER took Sociology in college, you'd have covered this sort of stuff in the first half of the semester.
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Re: Why are Jews hated?

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Re: Why are Jews hated?

Post by Ferno » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:59 pm

Aaaaand there it is.
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Re: Why are Jews hated?

Post by Nightshade » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:13 pm

Ferno wrote:Aaaaand there it is.
Yep. There it is...and both of you deny it. Probably just like the Holocaust.
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Re: Why are Jews hated?

Post by Ferno » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:13 pm

Nightshade wrote:
Ferno wrote:Aaaaand there it is.
Yep. There it is...and both of you deny it. Probably just like the Holocaust.

Bud, I could sue you over that.
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Post by Spidey » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:46 pm

And likely lose, short of being able to prove actual damages.

I would say with all of the crap that TB gets...he would have a better chance...but still pretty poor.
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Re: Why are Jews hated?

Post by Tunnelcat » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:46 pm

Nightshade wrote:
Ferno wrote:Aaaaand there it is.
Yep. There it is...and both of you deny it. Probably just like the Holocaust.
No one denies it NS. We all know that many Muslims hate the Jews, a lot of it centered over issues with Jerusalem, the Holy Land and other esoteric arguments lost to history. Don't forget that Christian Palestinians also hate the Jews as well and they're still at each other's throats as we speak. As a side note here, it was Christian Germans who gave the world the Holocaust, not the Muslims.

So what's your point? Should we shut down every Imam or Muslim Mosque that preaches hatred towards the Jews? Doesn't doing that infringe upon our treasured Western free speech rights? So do we act before or after someone shouts this type of hate? Remember this little "controversy" back in Texas in 2015, that even YOU thought should be called "free speech"? That's at least as best as I can remember without spending time searching this forum.

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Re: Why are Jews hated?

Post by Ferno » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:16 pm

Spidey wrote:And likely lose, short of being able to prove actual damages.

I would say with all of the crap that TB gets...he would have a better chance...but still pretty poor.
I have a higher chance of winning, actually.
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Re: Why are Jews hated?

Post by callmeslick » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:11 am

a few quick Koran questions for you, NS:

1. One female is mentioned by name in the Koran. Whose is it?
2. Who is mentioned more often in the Koran, Mohammed or Moses?
3. How many times is Jesus mentioned?
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Re: Why are Jews hated?

Post by Nightshade » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:29 pm

callmeslick wrote:a few quick Koran questions for you, NS:

1. One female is mentioned by name in the Koran. Whose is it?
2. Who is mentioned more often in the Koran, Mohammed or Moses?
3. How many times is Jesus mentioned?
Don't know what the point is, but ok-

1- Mary

2- Moses

3- A crapload of times (as "Isa")
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Re: Why are Jews hated?

Post by callmeslick » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:32 pm

the point is that anyone using the Koran as some sort of excuse for Muslims to hate Christians is either duplicitous or crazy. In fact, Muslims are URGED to interact, and seek wisdom from Christians. You are on a Crusade of Stupidity, NS, against another Abrahamic religion, when the things you fear are purely sociopolitical and have utterly nothing to do with religion.......
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Re: Why are Jews hated?

Post by Ferno » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:27 pm

Nightshade wrote:
callmeslick wrote:a few quick Koran questions for you, NS:

1. One female is mentioned by name in the Koran. Whose is it?
2. Who is mentioned more often in the Koran, Mohammed or Moses?
3. How many times is Jesus mentioned?
Don't know what the point is, but ok-

1- Mary

2- Moses

3- A crapload of times (as "Isa")

Other than "Isa", those things are in the bible aswell.
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