You changed my mind Avadar. You did it. I now think banning users that are bad is logical. They're bad, so they should be banned. Thank you for your post. Your experience shows. My view is changed and a new road in life has opened up to me. Thank you Avadr.
Top Gun wrote:
It's perfectly reasonable unless you want an utter cesspool of a forum where people can make shitpost after shitpost and make the entire place worthless.
Jump to the last section of this post. It addresses both you and Lothar.
I'm allowed to say you're not doing it right if that's what I see
Of course --
BUT YOU TEMP BANNED ME FOR DOING EXACTLY THAT THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE. My position hasn't changed at ALL.
and I'm allowed to continue to disagree with your opinion. It's not about liking or disliking, but about convincing or not convincing.
Exactly. Convincing a user has nothing to do with your mod tools.
I haven't done things exactly the same way every time and in every place, nor have all of my co-mods/admins. I've learned a lot about things that work and things that don't, both from direct experience and observation. Of particular note, I know what sort of board you get when you take an "I will never enforce anything but anti-spam/virus rules" approach (Avder and TG both know too.) You're welcome to run your own board that way, but that's not the kind of board we want here.
Then you guys haven't seen how it's suppose to work.
The best discussion forums I've seen, by far, are the ones with rules like
"Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face-to-face conversation.
It should read "Be civil, but don't say things you wouldn't say in a face-to-face conversation", because that would be the reality.
Avoid gratuitous negativity."
How about, "don't panic at the sign of confrontation."
"uphold the tension between civility and rigor, and readily exercise self-criticism." and which enforce those rules with warnings, deletions, and temporary and permanent bans when necessary.
"Because if you fight on the internet and die, you die in real life."
Some people learn merely from the words of administrators and other posters;
Everyone is capable of verbal control. It doesn't work for you, because you reach your limit when saying "don't do that because it's bad" doesn't work. This is why you think my style would be chaos...
I had a user that was banned on every subreddit. He came to mine. I explained that he could continue do whatever he wanted, but that he could easily get our cool subreddit shut down. And I let him decide to remove his own post. He did. I empowered him. I let the fate of the community rest in his hands and one of the worst trolls became a good users immediately. He even scolds people that break the rules. My subreddit is his house. He was the worst troll I've ever seen and now he follows the rules via common sense. Most trolls just want someone on the net to recognize them as valuable. He got that from me.
It works for him and it works for every single user I've confronted as a mod in all 22 of my subreddits.
These are people on the other side of these Internet connections. They still function like people even here. Have a little more faith.