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Listening to Dennis Miller on Bill O'Rileys show, I heard him sum up political correctness quite succinctly. He said in a climate where we can no longer use words like \"Terrorism\" the administrations chief of staff can use words like \"F*cking Retarded\" or Obama himself can refer to his bowling skills as being akin to Special Olympics caliber. What gives?
Throw in Ms Pelosi and her Nazis inference to the Tea Party movement and you start to wonder why terrorist are treated so gently? I don't suppose because Rahm/Barack/Nancy don't have to worry about the tea party members getting violent or special needs children
flying planes into buildings, that those citizens can be villified?
Does anyone here notice how most of this crap terminology emanates from the Democratic leadership?

Thats ★■◆●ing retarded.

Actually, I don't think either party has a lock on retarded behavior.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... _gove.html

It would be just fine with me if Rahm gets the ax over this one. He was, after all, calling the liberal base of the Democratic Party retarded because they were upset with Obama's. ie. Rahm's, policies. I think all his little Clinton triangulation crap, which is blowing up in his face by the way, is throwing the liberal base under the bus. HE DON'T GET IT, DO HE!

Another poisonous right-winger who's spouting it out of his pie hole is Rush Limbaugh. I don't see little Palin throwing a fit over HIS comments!

OINK

so, what's the new word for 'terrorism?'

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Burlyman wrote:so, what's the new word for 'terrorism?'

According to liberals like Obama, capitalism.

Capitalism DOES kill people. They're dying right now in this day and age because many people can't afford health care, food or even housing because they either can't get a job or it doesn't pay enough to live on.

tunnelcat wrote:Capitalism DOES kill people. They're dying right now in this day and age because many people can't afford health care, food or even housing because they either can't get a job or it doesn't pay enough to live on.

The definition of terrorism isn't 'something that kills people' otherwise welfare is as much terrorism as capitalism is! And dying because you can't afford food, supplies or shelter isn't the fault of a capitalist system of valuing food stuff, supplies or shelter. Before there was, or in any instance without, capitalism, there was no lack of death by starvation, unemployment, poor health care or no shelter.

Can you show any example of a system capitalism replaced that didn't previously have the conditions you wan't to blame it for?
It's typical liberalism, you take whatever people suffer from and blame it on the success of others to stir up emotional and irrational support for your power play! Not that Obama and Co. have any solutions for the health care costs or starvation or housing costs they simply demagogue those issues so stupid people will vote with irrational anger in favor of their party. It's simple manipulation of mob mentality that's all.
I remember Obama stirring up the villagers saying he'd close Gitmo, rid the government of lobbiests, end the war, return transparancy to the process, etc, etc,....heh! Now all the villagers joined his mob and what has he done about those promises?!? His party has conditioned people like you TC to make excuses for his failure to deliver that's what!

Will Robinson wrote:The definition of terrorism isn't 'something that kills people' otherwise welfare is as much terrorism as capitalism is! And dying because you can't afford food, supplies or shelter isn't the fault of a capitalist system of valuing food stuff, supplies or shelter. Before there was, or in any instance without, capitalism, there was no lack of death by starvation, unemployment, poor health care or no shelter.

Unfettered and unregulated Capitalism is a 'winner take all' philosophy. By it's very design, some people will big big time and most will lose. Human greed that is not checked, will always tip the scales to one side. Those who have the power and money will survive, those who don't will be destitute or dead. It doesn't care!

Will Robinson wrote:Can you show any example of a system capitalism replaced that didn't previously have the conditions you wan't to blame it for?

No. But regulated Capitalism with a touch of Democracy worked in the past for us. It only failed when the rules were removed and greed and excess took over.

Will Robinson wrote:It's typical liberalism, you take whatever people suffer from and blame it on the success of others to stir up emotional and irrational support for your power play!

When the success of a small minority (bankers and traders especially) takes ALL the combined money from the majority, gambles and loses it, creating financial ruin for a vast segment of our society and AT THE SAME TIME encourages valuable good paying jobs to be shipped to cheaper foreign labor countries so that our own laborers are jobless, that's when I think a system is seriously broken. To top that off, these same wealth grabbers don't want to pay ANY taxes to support our government or infrastructure. They'd rather stick it to the wage earners and reap the benefits those taxes pay for.

Will Robinson wrote:Not that Obama and Co. have any solutions for the health care costs or starvation or housing costs they simply demagogue those issues so stupid people will vote with irrational anger in favor of their party. It's simple manipulation of mob mentality that's all.
I remember Obama stirring up the villagers saying he'd close Gitmo, rid the government of lobbiests, end the war, return transparancy to the process, etc, etc,....heh! Now all the villagers joined his mob and what has he done about those promises?!? His party has conditioned people like you TC to make excuses for his failure to deliver that's what!

I've made NO excuses for Obama's failures. He's actually gone back on MOST of his change promises, so don't put words in my mouth that I'm happy with his policies. Most in-the-know liberals are not happy with him either! He's a D.I.N.O., Democrat In Name Only. He's just another 'girlyman' Corporatist in my book.

Didn't some Canadian high up govt. official just come to the US for medical treatment? I thought socialized medicine was the best in the world.

Nobody ever said our health care wasn't fast, in fact it is likely the fastest on earth because it is priced right out of demand.

Liberal Nut wrote:He's actually gone back on MOST of his change promises, so don't put words in my mouth that I'm happy with his policies.

I do believe that sentence contains trace amounts of vindication.

Actually, no. Upon closer inspection there is no satisfaction to be found.

This just paves the way for someone to come along and suggest that even Obama's change wasn't radical enough to work, provided the conservatives don't have you lot by the scruff of the neck before then.

tunnelcat wrote:Capitalism DOES kill people. They're dying right now in this day and age because many people can't afford health care, food or even housing because they either can't get a job or it doesn't pay enough to live on.

Life kills people. You blame capitalism (more appropriately known as free enterprise). That is just foolish.

tunnelcat wrote:...

Will Robinson wrote:Can you show any example of a system capitalism replaced that didn't previously have the conditions you wan't to blame it for?

No. But regulated Capitalism with a touch of Democracy worked in the past for us. It only failed when the rules were removed and greed and excess took over....

And regulated terrorism is still just terrorism isn't it? So your assertion that they are the same is still stupid.

Also, regarding the point your are trying to make, I remember seeing the liberals in Congress ignore and literally ridicule the regulators who tried to warn about the oncoming financial crisis regarding Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae. And yes it was greed, not necessarily monetary gain but preserving their political power protecting their loans for votes program that created all that bad paper so don't even try to say your party is not to blame. Considering how poorly things have been run by the one-party-disguised-as-two anyone who counts himself a member of either branch is a part of the problem.

The lack of regulation that we need isn't the result of capitalism or conservatism it is the product of politicians having blind support by foolish supporters.

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Bet51987 wrote:..Some people prevented life from killing them by buying medicines in Canada or other places but then greed surfaced and the Bush administration made it illegal. ..

Bee

If it was as simple as your version then surely with a 60 vote majority and a democrat President that wrong will have been righted after all he's had a year to fix it hasn't he? Or did Bush hide the controls before he left the Whitehouse?

As long as anyone buys into the bullfeces that it's all the fault of 'the other guys' then the system won't change.

tunnelcat wrote:




It only failed when the rules were removed and greed and excess took over.

I whole heartedly agree TC, Congress and the Senate no longer have any rules.

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Bee wrote:but today life kills because people can't afford the medicines that are available to them.

Maybe there are aspects to reality that you don't or can't accept (or that aren't convenient to address), for instance that sin causes death (which includes sickness). But your perception (or mine) or lack thereof does not affect reality, and ultimately you can't start drawing the line from the middle and expect it to do any good.

Bee wrote:I'll go even further and say that I'm no longer proud to buy american.

For me buying American is supporting small business--or any business of any size that is focused on providing a service or a product (or both, as the case usually is) that comes from right here in our own country--in our own economy. I don't blindly buy American, I'm supporting the people who make things work around here--people like me. You should be ashamed of such a statement, and just because the liberals have got you all worried about capitalism=big business. There is still plenty of American that is worth buying. I'll even proudly buy foreign, but only if they fit the same sort of description--providing a good service/product. Frankly sometimes foreign is made better, and when I want the best I buy a Gransfors Bruks hatchet from Sweden, for instance (if there were something comparable made around here I would buy it).

What I'm trying to show you is that just because "big business" doesn't care about what's good for those around them/for those that their business impacts, that doesn't mean that free enterprise isn't the best system available. Unless someone can show me differently, I maintain that the fault is on an individual level, and I have never heard of a better economic system than capitalism. Certainly not in letting the politicians get their hands in business.

If this system has gotten ugly, it is not because of a failure in our economic system, it is certainly because of the downward moral trend in our society that has effected every level.

Bet51987 wrote:

Will Robinson wrote:As long as anyone buys into the bullfeces that it's all the fault of 'the other guys' then the system won't change.

How can I not blame the other side when the republican supreme court sided with those very corporations.

Bee

I point you right at the forest and you say I can't see it because the trees are in the way....

I'll proudly buy products made by Americans. On the other hand I won't be particularly proud to buy products made in America by illegal immigrants.

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funny, I don't remember the Soviet Union being the bastion of long life. or even Canada with their health system. maybe it Life that kills people not Capitalism or Socialism. blaming all the countries ills on the Government or our economic system. is ignorant at best

False alarm, it's ok when Rush Limbaugh says it.

DarkHorse wrote:False alarm, it's ok when Rush Limbaugh says it.

False alarm. Darkhorse fails to understand sarcasm and how it is used.

Life does kill people, it doesn't have a built in guarantee for survival, but when the social system is rigged for the \"winner take all\" philosophy of Capitalism, survival will be skewed in favor of those who take everything for themselves and then leave the paltry pickings for the rest of society. By the way, I'm not advocating Communism because it stifles all creativity and people's desire for betterment in life and work. Communism didn't work either because a few powerful people took everything for themselves and redistributed the paltry rest for the masses that they kept under control with an iron fist. Hmmmmm, almost describes the Corporatocracy WE have now, low wages, no health care, no job advancement possibilities and the same small wealthy subset of our society that's only continuing to lock up more wealth for themselves. No such thing as trickle down economics, it's just a myth to delude the commoners.

By the way, if the right uses bad words, it's just simple sarcasm. If the left uses those same words, it's hateful speech.

“Winner takes all”

Where do you come up with these things?

Capitalism is an economic system that uses investment capital to build wealth.

“Winner takes all” is the human condition.

The old new 'winner take all' Capitalism infecting our system thinking now.

http://www.newstatesman.com/200607030054

You want to help me out as far as who's taking all? Because I believe that is an exaggeration, based on my exposure to the business world.

I am a strong believer in opportunity, and I think there's still plenty of it.

Having said that, most of my ideas still lie in the future. I am doing some good things in my job right now, and on the side I'm about to take my first professional website job live (all with no formal training in the areas that I'm pursuing).

tunnelcat wrote:By the way, if the right uses bad words, it's just simple sarcasm. If the left uses those same words, it's hateful speech.

you OBVIOUSLY pay no attention the how the media reports. do you???

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/0 ... 54744.html

has this been posted in the thread yet?
hypocrisy is relevant.
see the video (it's hard to find elsewhere, Viacom is in overdrive trying to take it down for some ★■◆●ing retarded reason)

Lol, yea satire written by liberals…well that has to sum it all up on this topic.

isn't the Republican party an Economic Liberal party?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism

woodchip wrote:False alarm. Darkhorse fails to understand sarcasm and how it is used.

I knew you'd be accommodating to double standards.

DarkHorse wrote:

woodchip wrote:False alarm. Darkhorse fails to understand sarcasm and how it is used.

I knew you'd be accommodating to double standards.

That statement is just... sad.

But true, this whole double standard on left vs right is the same as blacks hating on whites, the media thinks it's okay cuzz of things that happened 200 years ago so white men have to kiss black mens behinds now cause the media tells em too.
and if you don't agree with that screw you cause im young and you're all a bunch of old hicks
not very fun to hear is it?