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Vander

These weird freaks are really going for it, aren't they? They have such a warped view of reality that they're destroying the very engine that has bestowed and sustains their power, and they believe they'll have some place atop the society we're forced to rebuild in the aftermath? Wild.

Vander

Trump has really killed Oliver Stone type conspiracies for me. He's perhaps the greatest evidence that there is no secret cabal using heart attack guns on threats to the established global order. The guy is almost single-handedly collapsing the dollar based global economy through his know nothing ...

Vander

Call me old fashioned, but I don't think we should use ChatGPT to formulate policy.

Vander

You can spend your time at Fred's Guns and Tackle, I'll be down at the hobby shop checking out the drones.

Vander

BuT HiLlArY's EmAiLs?!!?!??!? lOcK hEr Up!

It has been pointed out that these are many of the same people who threw absolute fits over democrats accidentally mishandling classified information. But I guess it is fine when a republican willfully and deliberately mishandles classified information ...

Vander

No cop, no stop.

Vander

Give it a year or two and you'll probably get a few states looking to secede and join Canada.

Vander

For the political appointees he's brought in, it's not that they don't think he's nuts, it's that it doesn't matter. He's their ticket to power. And for the most part, they're marinating in the same Right Wing Media puke funnel that he is.

For the career civil servant types, the ones just trying to ...

Vander

I think our descent into fascism will get interesting if/when the marks figure out that the Civil Rights era roll back is also a New Deal era roll back.

Vander

That it’s hard to tell if it’s real or fake is a good example of the vital role of executives as the organization's key drivers of success and as exemplars of leadership and professionalism.

Vander

The motive is going to end up being something like a grudge over refusing to trim a tree that blocks the view of the neighbors 45 million dollar mansion.

Vander

No sympathy for this guy, but he probably wasn't killed for ★■◆●ing over his health insurance customers. (which IMO would be great!)

He probably fucked over some other ultra-wealthy ★■◆●, because that seems to be the only reason these fuckers ever see consequences.

Vander

Not the better result for me. I promise.

My apologies, I must have misread.

She would have empowered the remnants of the ‘far-too-woke-for-anyone’s-good’ that are apparently already being sent to the back of the bus by direction of the smarter members of their own party.

I think I would ...

Vander

I understand inflation and interest rates aren’t really in a Presidents tool box but you would think they could have looked at polling and seen border and crime and economy should have been addressed every time she had a chance to talk. Instead she hid out in the locker room during the 2nd and 3rd ...

Vander

I watched Harris and Trump a lot on every media source I could find and the subject matter was very light and vague from Harris compared to Trump. He may be a douche but he articulates his individual intentions in a description of specific actions.
She worked hard to avoid any definitive ...

Vander

They tried to lean on identity politics and fringe social issues that have insignificant importance to the 150 million or so voters in the country.

This is like the opposite of what happened.

Vander

When was the last time democrats delivered on what they proposed?

Off the top of my head: The biggest recently in terms of impact was probably the medicaid expansion in the ACA. The most recent was the IRA which included large health subsidies, and also would've kept in place the Covid era ...

Vander

truly both parties are guilty of the wealth and power being transitioned upwards.

When was the last time Republicans proposed to raise taxes on the rich, or to provide some meaningful benefit/support/service to the poor? Raise minimum wages? Or really anything to attempt to rein in instead of ...

Vander

Will Robinson wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:00 pm Careful there, you are describing both heads of the Hydra that lords over us.

Yes, because Elizabeth Warren and Marsha Blackburn are basically the same.

Vander

Best case is some ghoul who makes mendacious, bad faith arguments about liberty and responsibility in an effort to expand corruption and accelerate the distribution of wealth upwards. Worst case is some ghoul who makes mendacious, bad faith arguments about how our blood is being poisoned by dark ...

Vander

I'm saying that I'd give the same broadly applicable advice, not that I don't recognize that there can be a different calculus.

Vander

I get the enormous stakes, but they are multiplied by astronomically tiny probabilities of your vote determining the election.

Sure, individual votes are mostly a drop in an ocean, but doesn't the act of discussing voting strategy assume some level of attempted persuasion of other voters?

In ...

Vander

But how do you incentivize candidates to not drift toward the center after a primary election using primary elections?

For the most part, I think it's just something that you have to accept is likely to happen. It's a compromise for the voter, and I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just trying to ...

Vander

Anyone who doesn't vote for Democrats no matter what they say or do can take credit.

Sanders attracted a block of primary voters which translated to power within the party. After he lost the primary, he endorsed and campaigned for Clinton. His ability to bring most his voters along with him to ...

Vander

What do you mean by "to keep them on side"? Does that not ultimately reduce to, to keep them voting for Democrats in general elections?

Yes? When a large faction in the party signals in the primary that they want this changed, often explicitly, and the party is responsive to some extent, I don ...

Vander

If I recall, ~80% of Sanders primary voters voted for Clinton in the general, and there were a lot more Sanders > Trump voters than Sanders > third party voters. I remember reporting around that time that there were more Clinton > Not Obama voters in 2008 than Sanders > Not Clinton voters in 2016 ...

Vander

I think everyone should vote like they're in a swing state.

After their 2016 loss, they reduced (but did not eliminate) the power of superdelegates in their nomination process. That change cannot be attributed to the outcome of a primary election.

I'm not sure how you can say this, since it ...

Vander

*Every* election the DBB lambasts everyone who votes third party, because *this* election is the most important election ever, and yet every election the DBB, who already votes for the Democrat no matter what they say or do, can't understand why the Democratic Party won't represent their actual ...

Vander

On another note, I had asked this before but since trump will be president again and has the senate and maybe the house, could he rewrite the law saying people can become presidents more than 2 terms? I'm scared he will try and succeed

I would say no, as the 22nd amendment is pretty clear, but ...

Vander

I want to know...

I wanted to know...

I mean, I guess it's ultimately the candidate's job to find a way to deliver these answers to your consciousness. Simply putting them on the campaign website apparently wasn't enough in this case.

Vander seems to think the only option is to compare and ...

Vander

Spidey wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:42 am Well for one...the inability to win over people like me.

What, in your opinion, was worse about Harris relative to Trump?

Vander

Spidey wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:17 am Never underestimate fielding a bad candidate.

In your opinion, what made her a worse candidate than Trump?

Vander

Last week, yes. Mail ballots are great, and every state should have the option.

Vander

Nice...wishing bad on total strangers from a natural disaster...very classy.

100%. Your average MAGA chud isn't without agency, but they're ultimately the useful idiots of the financial interests that fund the right wing media they consume. For most, their biggest fault is believing that liars ...

Vander

Some Holds Barred.

Vander

Tunnelcat wrote:As for the ideals being just Likud's, no they are not. I'm sure a lot of Israelis harbor the same wishes, although a little more privately. They did vote the Likud Party back into power after all.

I was implying something a little closer to home.

Vander

Tunnelcat wrote:the U.S. certainly has no control over Bibi and the Likud Party's ideals.

We provide them the material support to turn those ideals into actions. We defend those actions politically and militarily. Are you confident they're just the ideals of Netanyahu and Likud?

Vander

woodchip wrote:Coming from you Vander, a surprisingly ignorant statement. You do know Arabs are living Israel?

I'm not sure how that knowledge isn't a prerequisite for what I said, much less in opposition to it.

Vander

Spidey wrote:And no, I don't believe there will be a negotiated peace any time soon.

I also believe this, because Israel's goal isn't peace, it's a land without Arabs.

Vander

I think it's funny that speculation on woodchip's next driveby turned this thread on an attempted assassination into a discussion of middle east current events.

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