White privilege....or is it...

[Nightshade]

"Jewish privilege?"

Leftist Anti-Semitic Fliers Appear on College Campus



https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/03/21 ... ge-campus/

[callmeslick]

hatred is hatred, no matter who you hate, right?

[Tunnelcat]

Whoever these morons are, they need to do some better research before they spread absolute BS.

In 2015, out of the 13.1 million millionaires in the world:

56% of the world's millionaires identify as Christian.
6.5% Muslim
3.9% Hindu
1.7% Jewish
31% Other or no religion

Plus, 7 of the 10 wealthiest countries are Christian dominated.

So put it this way NS, antisemitism knows no political affiliation.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/01/14/the-reli ... ires-.html

[Spidey]

So there are anti-Jewish people in the socialist camp…oh the irony.

Well I think that is to be expected when you preach resentment of rich people…right Bernie.
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Tc…do millionaires make up much of the 1%?

[callmeslick]

where does ANYONE get the idea this is 'leftist'?? I mean, I hope no one is so utterly dimwitted as to extrapolate from using 'the 1%' as a buzzword, in a clearly fascist, racist flyer is somehow, in any fashion, liberal, leftist, socialist, etc.

[Spidey]

I never said it was “socialist” I said it was coming from people in that camp.

If you need a clue what the difference is…just ask…

[callmeslick]

I never said it was “socialist” I said it was coming from people in that camp.

and my point is you know this HOW?

If you need a clue what the difference is…just ask…

I'm just asking how the ★■◆● you have the first clue what 'people' it was coming from.

[callmeslick]

let's revisit the extant facts, as some seem puzzled.

The flyer pictured appears on a college campus? Who circulated them? No one offers a single piece of evidence.
The flyer is tagged with BLM, weareallmuslim tags!! Oh, that makes it obvious who would tag an obviously bigotted and
offensive flyer and then send it out in their name, right?? Come on, Spidey, I expect NS to be that gullible and/or dimwitted,
but I sort of expect a wee bit more grey matter out of you. Can YOU see the difference, now?

[Spidey]

Sure I accept the idea that the flyers could be coming from a different group, but I am basing my statement on the evidence at hand, if it is some other group, then show me the money.

Why do you find it so hard to believe there are bigots on the left?

And you don’t have to lecture me on being a skeptic, I was born one…

[Tunnelcat]

So there are anti-Jewish people in the socialist camp…oh the irony.

Well I think that is to be expected when you preach resentment of rich people…right Bernie.
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Tc…do millionaires make up much of the 1%?

I don't know. Does this link answer your question? I was trying to figure out which religion (since NS's flier was talking about Jews and white privilege) had the most privilege in the world's wealthiest countries and I made the assumption that wealth equaled privilege. Am I wrong about that since I'm assuming power is equated with privilege and power is also equated with wealth? Most anti-Semitics usually believe that the Jews control all the wealth, which is clearly not correct. I wasn't bashing wealthy people either, just trying to put to rest the old bigoted belief that the Jews control all the money.

http://fortune.com/2015/10/14/1-percent ... it-suisse/

[Ferno]

Spreading a misleading story that has no evidence of 'leftism'. Typical TB.

I can't wait to be called a nazi sympathizer now.

but I am basing my statement on the evidence at hand

Which is what, exactly.. that it was found on a college campus? Circumstantial at best.

[callmeslick]

Sure I accept the idea that the flyers could be coming from a different group, but I am basing my statement on the evidence at hand

that is piss-poor logic. First there IS NO EVIDENCE at your hand, based on that article. Second, you go on to say that your bogus logic is valid unless someone decisively proves it wrong? Are you kidding? Are you 9 years old?

[Spidey]

As per usual, I’m going to bail right here because some ★■◆● has to make it personal, and at that point all I want to do is retaliate…so screw it.

[Ferno]

As per usual, I’m going to bail right here because some ★■◆● has to make it personal, and at that point all I want to do is retaliate…so screw it.

In other words, as soon as I ask you a perfectly legitimate question (and slick calls you out on your behaviour), you throw your hands up in the air, blame others, and threaten to throw a tantrum - like a five year old.

If you don't like being called on your bull★■◆●, don't throw out bull★■◆●. Get out. And don't you ★■◆●ing dare tell me I can't comprehend what you've said. It's clear as crystal.

[callmeslick]

As per usual, I’m going to bail right here because some ★■◆● has to make it personal, and at that point all I want to do is retaliate…so screw it.

you know, maybe if you wouldn't make statements declaring something to be so, this wouldn't happen. It isn't the other people that are assholes for calling you on providing proof to back up your assertions.

[Spidey]

And where is the proof to your counter argument? No, you don’t provide proof…just insults.

[callmeslick]

And where is the proof to your counter argument? No, you don’t provide proof…just insults.

I don't need 'proof' for the assertion that no one can tell from the article who is behind the flyers, past the obvious suggestion that NO ONE PROVIDED ANY PROOF for the assertion that 'leftists' were involved. If you find pointing out your empty arguments to be insults, I would suggest giving some thought to your assertions before you make them.

[Spidey]

No…the “9 year old” remark was the insult.

Are you actually unaware of your own remarks?

[Vander]

How dare you point out you were insulted. What are you, 9 years old?

[callmeslick]

How dare you point out you were insulted. What are you, 9 years old?

Ferno suggested 5 years old. Just sayin'. Oh, and Spidey, I DID compare the logic you were using to that of a child struggling to enter the age of reason. And, you doubled down on the same logic("you can't prove it WASN'T a leftist group" Me: I never said I could, I merely suggested that NO ONE can prove who sent it out.)in response. So, sorry about the hurt feelings, but if the shoe fits......

[Tunnelcat]

You know, you three aren't doing anything but arguing around each other in a giant and getting a little too personal piss match. It's a lot more complicated that even I thought and it does involve the extreme left.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism

[callmeslick]

and, you feel that 'concept' is in any way legitimate? Look closely and see what part of that profound Wiki article gives anything past an opinion formed by some folks who wish to call anti-Zionist sentiment 'antisemitic', despite the fact the most virulant anti-Zionist people I've ever encountered were Jews offended by the concept of turning Judaism into a more aggressive type of culture/society. I'd call the whole asserted concept hogwash, and it still doesn't speak, in any way, to the concept put forth in the very first post, that this is somehow the product of 'leftists'. There is, I repeat, with no particular person in focus,ZERO proof of any source that has been put forth, so the assumption that it is from a 'leftist' group is every bit as bogus as asserting it came from Skinhead Bikers, Rastafarians, Aryan Brotherhood or the Klan. The flyers appeared. They are idiotically bigotted. No one has admitted to distribution and there are zero clues put forth by authorities. At least most people are appalled by them, so a win for overall decency.

[Spidey]

I never stated one way or another if the flyers are real or fake, I simply chose to give the OP the benefit of the doubt based on the fact that the left is constantly bashing the rich.

And, from resentment is born hatred.

Now I already admitted that the flyers could be fake, so what…maybe you want a pint of blood with that concession?

The fact is neither side can prove where they came from, so the only thing left is to make a reasoned argument as to what you believe.

But, I get my reasoning abilities insulted twice because I can’t see the obvious. So I figure the day the other side admits that there is a possibility the flyers are real, will be a cold day in hell for sure.

[Vander]

Ok, I admit it. I'm the one who passed out the flyers as a false flag false flag op.

[Tunnelcat]

and, you feel that 'concept' is in any way legitimate? Look closely and see what part of that profound Wiki article gives anything past an opinion formed by some folks who wish to call anti-Zionist sentiment 'antisemitic', despite the fact the most virulant anti-Zionist people I've ever encountered were Jews offended by the concept of turning Judaism into a more aggressive type of culture/society. I'd call the whole asserted concept hogwash, and it still doesn't speak, in any way, to the concept put forth in the very first post, that this is somehow the product of 'leftists'. There is, I repeat, with no particular person in focus,ZERO proof of any source that has been put forth, so the assumption that it is from a 'leftist' group is every bit as bogus as asserting it came from Skinhead Bikers, Rastafarians, Aryan Brotherhood or the Klan. The flyers appeared. They are idiotically bigotted. No one has admitted to distribution and there are zero clues put forth by authorities. At least most people are appalled by them, so a win for overall decency.

I agree that calling these fliers lefty hate speech is probably a stretch. I just pointed out that there is a modern movement on the extreme left that is definitely anti-Jewish and anti-Israel. The only straw these right wing web sites grasped at in order to call these fliers as coming from the left was that at least one flier used the term "social justice". That's definitely a knee jerk reaction on their part. No one knows who created and distributed these fliers, so all these right wing sites need to quit casting blame.

Spidey, do you think those fliers are wealth bashing, or Jewish bashing? If you believe it's wealth bashing, why go after the Jews? They aren't in the majority as the world's wealth holders because it's mostly in the hands of Christians. Same with privilege. If they're bashing the privileged, again, why go after the Jews?

[Spidey]

I would have to say both, since there is a common perception that Jews hold all of the money. (true or not)

And if you read the flyer…they are referring to the US…not the world.

[callmeslick]

TC, not to nitpick but that link you gave provided zero evidence that there really IS a movement on the left, or any other direction, just that some folks want to perceive a movement that is antisemitic in some new fashion.

[Ferno]

I never stated one way or another if the flyers are real or fake, I simply chose to give the OP the benefit of the doubt based on the fact that the left is constantly bashing the rich.

And, from resentment is born hatred.

Now I already admitted that the flyers could be fake, so what…maybe you want a pint of blood with that concession?

The fact is neither side can prove where they came from, so the only thing left is to make a reasoned argument as to what you believe.

But, I get my reasoning abilities insulted twice because I can’t see the obvious. So I figure the day the other side admits that there is a possibility the flyers are real, will be a cold day in hell for sure.

No. you said you had 'evidence on hand', and you never showed it. You made a claim and you backtracked from it when put to the fire. Then you tried to shift the blame - again. Trying to talk your way out of this isn't going to work, and you can't talk about the ability to reason when you don't have it.

Make all the excuses you want. Spin it however you want. It doesn't change the fact you got caught lying.

And where is the proof to your counter argument?

The proof is this: Finding a flyer such as this on a college campus and claiming it's "leftism" is circumstantial at best and anecdotal at worst. It's what I said in my first post, had you been paying attention.

Prove me wrong. Counter-prove there is hard evidence that there is a direct link between this poster and leftism from that campus. Prove that there is a leftist organization or individual on that campus that's distributing these flyers. If you can't, then ★■◆● off, because I'm really not in the mood for any more of your bull★■◆●.

[Spidey]

Drama Queen

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And JFTR to anyone with an actual brain…the context of “evidence” I used in this case was referring to “face value”.

IE: any clues contained in the flyer itself…so no I didn’t lie. (and, yes they could be fake)

And having to explain every little language usage to an idiot attack dog is becoming a real bore.

[TheWhat]

I used to date a korean adoptee that converted to Judaism and was a 5 foot tall pot dealer. She used to sell me headband at cost. Ever smoked it you actually feel a warm headband it's completely as advertised.

She ended up being a complete ladder climbing ★■◆●. I still don't hate pot dealers.

[Tunnelcat]

TC, not to nitpick but that link you gave provided zero evidence that there really IS a movement on the left, or any other direction, just that some folks want to perceive a movement that is antisemitic in some new fashion.

OK, I can see your, and several other people's, confusion here. There were apparently several variations of those flyers. NS only posted one. This link shows more of them. I'm thinking that these code phrases were used intentionally to make the flyers look like they came from a lefty source, but I agree, it's not "proof". The right wing site NS posted used these references to make the "assumption" that the flyers were from the left.

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=8944

The third one down, which is posted below, references "social justice" which is definitely a lefty cause and 3 other items that can also be associated with the left:

#BlackLivesMatter
#WeAreAll Muslim
#IStandWithSteven



Also, the "privilege" these flyers are referring to is apparently some "special privileges" being given wealthy Jewish Americans at our top universities and that we need "social justice" to remedy it. This flyer very plainly states that, which does lend credence that the flyers may have came from a left-leaning college group. Like I said, there's no "proof" it came from the left, but there's nothing there to disprove it either.

[Spidey]

Generally speaking right wing hate groups don’t give a ★■◆● about what Jews do to Palestinians (since they hate them both) so that flyer titled “who is Steven Salatia” should give you something to think about as to the source of the flyers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/stev ... ita-fired/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Salaita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sa ... ontroversy

So if the right wing is faking these…they sure are being clever about it.

[Tunnelcat]

Yep, and if they are a radical lefty campus group, they're idiots and just as evil as a bunch of White Supremacists. It's a shame they had to hide in the shadows like cowards when they spread their trash. It shows you that they don't have the spine to just tell people their bigoted beliefs right to their faces AND whether they're part of the local student body or not. Comments slick?

[callmeslick]

sometimes, folks appropriate buzzwords to come off as something they are not. Nothing about their ideology seems terrible liberal, or particularly stable, for that matter.